Comments on: Boot Camp, Virtualization, parallels, etc : Evolution, Revolution or the end for the Mac? http://blog.hardmac.com/archives/boot-camp-virtualization-parallels-etc-evolution-revolution-or-the-end-for-the-mac where no mac has gone before Sat, 22 Nov 2008 09:28:52 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.3 By: wyane http://blog.hardmac.com/archives/boot-camp-virtualization-parallels-etc-evolution-revolution-or-the-end-for-the-mac#comment-55610 wyane Mon, 11 Feb 2008 06:59:54 +0000 http://blog.hardmac.com/?p=52#comment-55610 <p>In fact , Mac is a closing system. So there is no compatible problem, so if Mac OS goes to intel, I will wonder is that any compatible problem exist? So far I will prefer using MacOS if you surfing internet and doing creative job. What do you think if you doing creative and the system hang out suddenly?</p> In fact , Mac is a closing system. So there is no compatible problem, so if Mac OS goes to intel, I will wonder is that any compatible problem exist?
So far I will prefer using MacOS if you surfing internet and doing creative job. What do you think if you doing creative and the system hang out suddenly?

]]> By: Dave http://blog.hardmac.com/archives/boot-camp-virtualization-parallels-etc-evolution-revolution-or-the-end-for-the-mac#comment-4427 Dave Tue, 15 Aug 2006 18:13:38 +0000 http://blog.hardmac.com/?p=52#comment-4427 <p>I think the future of windows programs on mac will be provided by a 'compatibility-layer'. Why would you want to boot up Windows when you can use a compatibility layer to run the software on your OS X desktop.</p> <p>CrossOver Mac by CodeWeavers' is where we are headed. Have a read of my review: http://www.davejeffery.com/journal/crossover-mac</p> I think the future of windows programs on mac will be provided by a ‘compatibility-layer’. Why would you want to boot up Windows when you can use a compatibility layer to run the software on your OS X desktop.

CrossOver Mac by CodeWeavers’ is where we are headed. Have a read of my review: http://www.davejeffery.com/journal/crossover-mac

]]> By: David http://blog.hardmac.com/archives/boot-camp-virtualization-parallels-etc-evolution-revolution-or-the-end-for-the-mac#comment-4396 David Sun, 13 Aug 2006 16:45:46 +0000 http://blog.hardmac.com/?p=52#comment-4396 <p>Shawn, Grow up dude, the world DOES NOT turn around you nor your language. More people speak Spanish or Chinese than English. Give it a brake. Join a Russian board and try to post there while being grammatically correct. You are trully an English-speaking embarrassing idiot.</p> <p>David Williams</p> Shawn,
Grow up dude, the world DOES NOT turn around you nor your language. More people speak Spanish or Chinese than English. Give it a brake. Join a Russian board and try to post there while being grammatically correct. You are trully an English-speaking embarrassing idiot.

David Williams

]]> By: Shawn http://blog.hardmac.com/archives/boot-camp-virtualization-parallels-etc-evolution-revolution-or-the-end-for-the-mac#comment-4333 Shawn Thu, 10 Aug 2006 15:28:46 +0000 http://blog.hardmac.com/?p=52#comment-4333 <p>Is English a second language to you people? The spelling and grammer on these posts is awful.</p> Is English a second language to you people? The spelling and grammer on these posts is awful.

]]> By: Yllek http://blog.hardmac.com/archives/boot-camp-virtualization-parallels-etc-evolution-revolution-or-the-end-for-the-mac#comment-3177 Yllek Tue, 11 Jul 2006 04:19:38 +0000 http://blog.hardmac.com/?p=52#comment-3177 <p>I have a G3 and i was wondering if i will be able to run bootcamp on it because i dont have an entel chip. i have Tiger and i have plenty of space but i dont know if i can run it because i dont have an entel chip</p> I have a G3 and i was wondering if i will be able to run bootcamp on it because i dont have an entel chip. i have Tiger and i have plenty of space but i dont know if i can run it because i dont have an entel chip

]]> By: PiHok http://blog.hardmac.com/archives/boot-camp-virtualization-parallels-etc-evolution-revolution-or-the-end-for-the-mac#comment-2374 PiHok Sat, 24 Jun 2006 20:53:36 +0000 http://blog.hardmac.com/?p=52#comment-2374 <p>As mac grows to rival windows hackers will become interested in hacking it and writing virus' for it. Compared to windows market share it is a small fish in a big pond. But within a few years it will not be and it will find itself in the same situation windows is in.</p> <p>We will then be hearing the comparison about the two bad guys (Microsoft and Apple).</p> As mac grows to rival windows hackers will become interested in hacking it and writing virus’ for it. Compared to windows market share it is a small fish in a big pond. But within a few years it will not be and it will find itself in the same situation windows is in.

We will then be hearing the comparison about the two bad guys (Microsoft and Apple).

]]> By: john erik madsen http://blog.hardmac.com/archives/boot-camp-virtualization-parallels-etc-evolution-revolution-or-the-end-for-the-mac#comment-1389 john erik madsen Fri, 26 May 2006 09:50:04 +0000 http://blog.hardmac.com/?p=52#comment-1389 i remember when mac had the old ms dos cards in the apple powermacs but several things are making me mad at apple right now let me explain several mac users still own and operate g3 computers and g4 computers and g5 computers before apple went to intel processors and now what stinks bad over at apple boot camp:great idea if you have a 1300 doller intel dual core system to run it problems: this application really pissed off every g3 owner because we get a bad application from microdork called virtual pc 7 while users of the new and quite expensive macs get a nice application called boot camp what a crock then they pushed us even farther with lets make ilife 06 compatible only on g4 and g5 processors basiclly killing anyone who owns a g3 processor yes there are hacks but without garageband it sucks i think apple has a wonderfull idea but diffently in the wrong direction because think of this a 1 ghz mac mini was 499.99 on the old powerpc processor now a 1 ghz intel piece of junk cost 599.99 wow a hundred doller increase for a low end mac dont get me wrong i love apple because i got tired of being hacked on microdork winblows xdork but dumping your customers flat on your a*&& was not ot cool at all i remember when mac had the old ms dos cards in the apple powermacs

but several things are making me mad at apple right now

let me explain

several mac users still own and operate g3 computers and g4 computers and g5 computers before apple went to intel processors and now what stinks bad over at apple

boot camp:great idea if you have a 1300 doller intel dual core system to run it

problems: this application really pissed off every g3 owner because we get a bad application from microdork called virtual pc 7 while users of the new and quite expensive macs get a nice application called boot camp what a crock

then they pushed us even farther with lets make ilife 06 compatible only on g4 and g5 processors basiclly killing anyone who owns a g3 processor yes there are hacks but without garageband it sucks

i think apple has a wonderfull idea but diffently in the wrong direction because think of this

a 1 ghz mac mini was 499.99 on the old powerpc processor

now a 1 ghz intel piece of junk cost 599.99 wow a hundred doller increase for a low end mac

dont get me wrong i love apple because i got tired of being hacked on microdork winblows xdork

but dumping your customers flat on your a*&& was not ot cool at all

]]> By: Jen C http://blog.hardmac.com/archives/boot-camp-virtualization-parallels-etc-evolution-revolution-or-the-end-for-the-mac#comment-1370 Jen C Wed, 24 May 2006 12:43:27 +0000 http://blog.hardmac.com/?p=52#comment-1370 No universal primaries! Ahhhh. *There's the rub. Importantly - no current opssibility of the best little (*super little - 348K of super-tuned Forth language, used since v1.0 on Mac OS 0.9) word processor ever built being able to be used anymore. 21 years of records. About a year ago I did a wide ranging word processor comparison, looking for a WriteNow (4.02) replacement, and found only one that *may (on a marketing promise - current version 3.5 - equalising changes promised for v4 due Feb '05) be an equivalent. But not yet. This is what determines my choices, as luscious as the new MacBook seems :) When someone builds a OS 9.Classic emulator, I'm in, to Intel! No universal primaries!

Ahhhh. *There’s the rub.

Importantly - no current opssibility of the best little (*super little - 348K of super-tuned Forth language, used since v1.0 on Mac OS 0.9) word processor ever built being able to be used anymore. 21 years of records.

About a year ago I did a wide ranging word processor comparison, looking for a WriteNow (4.02) replacement, and found only one that *may (on a marketing promise - current version 3.5 - equalising changes promised for v4 due Feb ‘05) be an equivalent. But not yet.

This is what determines my choices, as luscious as the new MacBook seems :)

When someone builds a OS 9.Classic emulator, I’m in, to Intel!

]]> By: Harbinger http://blog.hardmac.com/archives/boot-camp-virtualization-parallels-etc-evolution-revolution-or-the-end-for-the-mac#comment-914 Harbinger Wed, 03 May 2006 20:49:33 +0000 http://blog.hardmac.com/?p=52#comment-914 In response to Ralf, the Mac OS has been in my home since 1987 and I had ZERO problem getting a new MacBook Pro. It's performance has exceeded my expectations and Boot Camp simply makes attainable the few XP apps that also made keeping a PC a necessity. I'm hoping Apple responds to requests for a system level virtualization API as this would bode well for different development houses attacking the interface problem from different angles. The only drawback from them intel migration, and this should be temporary as smaller software firms begin to purchase the new machines, is the lack of universal binaries. Moreso the lack of old(er) PPC specific plugins as many have been in different development pipelines for years without need for updates. In response to Ralf,
the Mac OS has been in my home since 1987 and I had ZERO problem getting a new MacBook Pro. It’s performance has exceeded my expectations and Boot Camp simply makes attainable the few XP apps that also made keeping a PC a necessity. I’m hoping Apple responds to requests for a system level virtualization API as this would bode well for different development houses attacking the interface problem from different angles. The only drawback from them intel migration, and this should be temporary as smaller software firms begin to purchase the new machines, is the lack of universal binaries. Moreso the lack of old(er) PPC specific plugins as many have been in different development pipelines for years without need for updates.

]]> By: linathael http://blog.hardmac.com/archives/boot-camp-virtualization-parallels-etc-evolution-revolution-or-the-end-for-the-mac#comment-903 linathael Tue, 25 Apr 2006 08:47:42 +0000 http://blog.hardmac.com/?p=52#comment-903 -> Ralf: I understand your message; however I know plenty of mac users who do not care at all what CPU is inside their Mac. What they want is the OS: OSX and the ease of using a computer, making users feel they can accomplish something without caring about the hardware components. Your remark corresponds to a Mac "geek" who has been fighting for the Mac for years and feel not acknowledged for his combat when Apple decide to move to Intel. Not a criticism at all. I can understand it. But for your information, couple of years ago Apple almost moved to Intel too, IBM was just more convincing to sell PPC970 to Apple pretending great roadmap, whereas there were nothing really ready... Of course, Intel and IBM both had problems to move from 130 to 90nm, and with heat release and power consumption. Intel decided to renewed and change its strategy and IBM decided to move its CPU business to game consoles leaving Apple in the dust. Steve Jobs was smart enough not to be linked to a CPU manufacturer as it happened with Motorola and OSX x86 was co-developped during years. Even today one has to realize that it was a good decision; there is no more real R&D for PPC that can compete with Intel or even AMD. For x86 CPU, Apple has also made a good choice, AMD is having problems with development of future CPU, and Intel roadmaps looks pretty solid and reliable...so much reliable that processors are currently released ahead on schedule. Intel has embraced a new architecture, making it similar to Apple's design: a computer is a synergy between hardware and software, and the hardware itself must be a synergistic mixture. it does not help to have a super clocked CPU if it can not communicate fast enough with the memory or has slow HD access timing; or simply if there is no software developed able to really use the CPU power. I really thing that Apple's future is brighter than couple of years ago, Boot Camp is just a piece of software; I guess Leopard will come with full virtualization. The ultimate computer platform is born and it is a Mac. -> Ralf:
I understand your message; however I know plenty of mac users who do not care at all what CPU is inside their Mac. What they want is the OS: OSX and the ease of using a computer, making users feel they can accomplish something without caring about the hardware components.
Your remark corresponds to a Mac “geek” who has been fighting for the Mac for years and feel not acknowledged for his combat when Apple decide to move to Intel. Not a criticism at all. I can understand it.
But for your information, couple of years ago Apple almost moved to Intel too, IBM was just more convincing to sell PPC970 to Apple pretending great roadmap, whereas there were nothing really ready… Of course, Intel and IBM both had problems to move from 130 to 90nm, and with heat release and power consumption. Intel decided to renewed and change its strategy and IBM decided to move its CPU business to game consoles leaving Apple in the dust. Steve Jobs was smart enough not to be linked to a CPU manufacturer as it happened with Motorola and OSX x86 was co-developped during years. Even today one has to realize that it was a good decision; there is no more real R&D for PPC that can compete with Intel or even AMD. For x86 CPU, Apple has also made a good choice, AMD is having problems with development of future CPU, and Intel roadmaps looks pretty solid and reliable…so much reliable that processors are currently released ahead on schedule. Intel has embraced a new architecture, making it similar to Apple’s design: a computer is a synergy between hardware and software, and the hardware itself must be a synergistic mixture. it does not help to have a super clocked CPU if it can not communicate fast enough with the memory or has slow HD access timing; or simply if there is no software developed able to really use the CPU power.
I really thing that Apple’s future is brighter than couple of years ago, Boot Camp is just a piece of software; I guess Leopard will come with full virtualization. The ultimate computer platform is born and it is a Mac.

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